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  3. Llama 3.1 70B vs Qwen3.8 27B

Pairwise benchmark snapshot · Aug 16, 2026

Llama 3.1 70B vs Qwen3.8 27B benchmark

In this head-to-head showdown, Qwen3.8 27B delivers higher overall intelligence and human-preferred responses (Elo 1,398 vs 1,240), while Qwen3.8 27B leads in SWE-bench software engineering benchmarks (58.8%), while Llama 3.1 70B is more budget-friendly at $0.4/1M per 1M output tokens, while Qwen3.8 27B provides faster response streaming (152 tok/s). Review the complete breakdown below to determine which model best fits your performance and budget requirements.

Executive Comparison Verdict

Bottom Line: Choose Qwen3.8 27B if your priority is peak reasoning, complex code generation, and top preference Elo. Choose Llama 3.1 70B if you are optimizing for low latency, high throughput, and cost-efficient API deployment.
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Verified Head-to-Head Advantage Breakdown

8 direct benchmark disciplines evaluated across capability, speed, and cost

Llama 3.1 70B (0)Qwen3.8 27B (8)
Llama 3.1 70B
0 of 8 Wins
Competitive baseline across remaining benchmarks
Qwen3.8 27B
8 of 8 Wins
✓Preference Elo✓LiveBench✓SWE-bench✓GPQA Diamond✓Time to first token✓Output speed✓Input price✓Context window
Meta
Llama 3.1 70B

Llama 3.1 70B instruct. Predecessor to 3.3 70B and Llama 4.

Elo 1,240$0.4/1M out
Alibaba
Leads 8 of 8 metrics
Qwen3.8 27B

Alibaba open-weight 27B drop dated Aug 14 2026. Dense enough to self-host; not a frontier MoE.

27B DenseElo 1,398$0.4/1M out
Top Rival Showdowns for Llama 3.1 70B
All Matchups
Compare vs:vs Claude Opus 4.5vs GPT-5vs Gemini 3 Provs Grok 4.6vs DeepSeek V4 Pro
Preference LeaderQwen3.8 27B Wins

Qwen3.8 27B

Δ 158 Arena Elo pts

Throughput LeaderQwen3.8 27B Wins

Qwen3.8 27B

152 tok/s

Value per Dollar LeaderLlama 3.1 70B Wins

Llama 3.1 70B

$0.4 / 1M output

Capability Percentiles

Relative percentile scores computed across all active models in the benchmark catalog.

Multi-Dimensional Capability Radar

Leaders Matchup Capability Radar

Comparing top Western standard models with China's leading frontier rival across 6 skill dimensions. Tap any spoke or dot to inspect.

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Percentile 0–100
Head-to-Head Comparison

Overall Matchup Breakdown

Category wins across reasoning intelligence, generation speed, and token cost.

Llama 3.1 70B (0)vsQwen3.8 27B (9)
Llama 3.1 70B: 0W (0%)Overall: Qwen3.8 27BQwen3.8 27B: 9W (100%)
← Llama 3.1 70B1 tiesQwen3.8 27B →
🏆Qwen3.8 27B(5/5)

Intelligence & Reasoning

Preference Elo, Coding proficiency, SWE-bench & LiveBench accuracy

Benchmark
Llama 3.1 70BvsQwen3.8 27B
Preference Elo
1,240vs1,398+158
Coding Elo
—vs1,422
SWE-bench
40.2%vs58.8%+18.6%
LiveBench
46.8%vs60.6%+13.8%
GPQA Diamond
48%vs73.4%+25.4%
Llama 3.1 70B: 0WQwen3.8 27B: 5W
🏆Qwen3.8 27B(2/2)

Speed & Latency

Generation throughput and time to first token responsiveness

Benchmark
Llama 3.1 70BvsQwen3.8 27B
Output speed
125 tok/svs152 tok/s+27 tok/s
Time to first token
170 msvs140 ms+30 ms
Llama 3.1 70B: 0WQwen3.8 27B: 2W
🏆Qwen3.8 27B(2/3)

Pricing & Capacity

Cost per million tokens and max context window length

Benchmark
Llama 3.1 70BvsQwen3.8 27B
Output price
$0.4/1Mvs$0.4/1M
Input price
$0.35/1Mvs$0.1/1M+$0.25/1M
Context window
128kvs131k+3k
Llama 3.1 70B: 0WQwen3.8 27B: 2W

Side-by-Side Benchmark Matrix

Preference Elo+158
Llama 3.1 70B1,240
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B1,398
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
Coding Elo
Llama 3.1 70B—
Qwen3.8 27B1,422
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
LiveBench+13.8%
Llama 3.1 70B46.8%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B60.6%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
SWE-bench+18.6%
Llama 3.1 70B40.2%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B58.8%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
GPQA Diamond+25.4%
Llama 3.1 70B48%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B73.4%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
Time to first token+30 ms
Llama 3.1 70B170 ms
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B140 ms
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
Output speed+27 tok/s
Llama 3.1 70B125 tok/s
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B152 tok/s
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
Input price+$0.25/1M
Llama 3.1 70B$0.35/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B$0.1/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
Output price
Llama 3.1 70B$0.4/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B$0.4/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
Context window+3k
Llama 3.1 70B128k
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
Qwen3.8 27B131k
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
BenchmarkLlama 3.1 70BQwen3.8 27BAdvantage Delta
Preference Elo
1,240
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
1,398
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+158
Coding Elo—
1,422
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
—
LiveBench
46.8%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
60.6%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+13.8%
SWE-bench
40.2%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
58.8%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+18.6%
GPQA Diamond
48%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
73.4%
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+25.4%
Time to first token
170 ms
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
140 ms
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+30 ms
Output speed
125 tok/s
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
152 tok/s
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+27 tok/s
Input price
$0.35/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
$0.1/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+$0.25/1M
Output price
$0.4/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
$0.4/1M
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
—
Context window
128k
seed-bootstrap · Aug 1, 2026
131k
seed-bootstrap · Aug 16, 2026
+3k
Interactive Simulator (USD)

Workload Cost & Savings Calculator

Simulate monthly production API costs in USD (US Dollar).

Save up to 48% with Qwen3.8 27B
Monthly Volume50M tokens/mo
Quick Presets:
Token Ratio (In vs Out)70% In / 30% Out
RAG / Search (10% out)Coding / Chat (50% out)
Llama 3.1 70B$18.25 / mo
In: $12.25Out: $6
Qwen3.8 27B$9.50 / mo
In: $3.5Out: $6
Estimated Cost Delta

Qwen3.8 27B is estimated to save $8.75/month ($105/year).

Based on 50M tokens (30% gen)

Key Selection Recommendations

  • 1
    Qwen3.8 27B:Pick Qwen3.8 27B when repo-level coding accuracy is the constraint.
  • 2
    Llama 3.1 70B:Pick Llama 3.1 70B when you are optimizing output cost.
  • 3
    Qwen3.8 27B:Pick Qwen3.8 27B when time-to-first-token matters more than peak Elo.

Recommended Workload Routing

Repo / coding agentsQwen3.8 27B

Higher SWE-bench (58.8%).

High-volume chatLlama 3.1 70B

Lower output list price ($0.4/1M).

Voice / low-latency UIQwen3.8 27B

Lower TTFT (140 ms).

Long-document RAGQwen3.8 27B

Larger window (131k).

Screenshots / visionQwen3.8 27B

Qwen3.8 27B is the side marked multimodal in the catalog.

Target WorkloadRecommended PickEvaluation Rationale
Repo / coding agentsQwen3.8 27BHigher SWE-bench (58.8%).
High-volume chatLlama 3.1 70BLower output list price ($0.4/1M).
Voice / low-latency UIQwen3.8 27BLower TTFT (140 ms).
Long-document RAGQwen3.8 27BLarger window (131k).
Screenshots / visionQwen3.8 27BQwen3.8 27B is the side marked multimodal in the catalog.

Related Editorial Dispatches & Benchmark Notes

View all news
launchAug 14, 2026

Qwen3.8 27B (Aug 14): dense enough to self-host, not a frontier MoE

Alibaba open-weight 27B drop. Local/open-weight lists should see it. It will not win frontier-agents.

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Llama 3.1 70B

Elo 1,240
SWE-bench40.2%
Speed (tok/s)125 tok/s
Input / 1M Tokens$0.35/1M
Output / 1M Tokens$0.4/1M
Alibaba

Qwen3.8 27B

Elo 1,398
SWE-bench58.8%
Speed (tok/s)152 tok/s
Input / 1M Tokens$0.1/1M
Output / 1M Tokens$0.4/1M

Frequently Asked Questions

Which is better overall, Llama 3.1 70B or Qwen3.8 27B?
Qwen3.8 27B has the higher preference Elo in our latest snapshot (1,398). “Better” still depends on coding, price, and latency — see the table.
Which is better at coding, Llama 3.1 70B or Qwen3.8 27B?
Qwen3.8 27B leads SWE-bench at 58.8% vs 40.2%. SWE-bench is one harness, not your repo.
Which is cheaper to run in production?
Llama 3.1 70B output tokens are $0.4/1M versus $0.4/1M. Input prices and retry rates still move the real bill.
Which is faster, Llama 3.1 70B or Qwen3.8 27B?
Qwen3.8 27B has the lower time-to-first-token (140 ms vs 170 ms). Tokens/sec is a separate column if you care about long completions.
Which has the larger context window?
Qwen3.8 27B accepts 131k tokens versus 128k.
Can I self-host either model?
Both Llama 3.1 70B and Qwen3.8 27B are marked open-weights. Hosting cost is not in this table.
Are these scores from CompareLLM’s own evals?
No. V1 aggregates public leaderboards (and optional first-party latency pings). Each cell names its source and date. Read /methodology.
What does preference Elo mean on this page?
Preference Elo is a crowd vote from LMArena / Arena. People see two hidden answers and pick the one they like more. The model that wins more often gets a higher Elo. That means people preferred it — not that it passed a school test. It is not SWE-bench, not accuracy, and not a number we invent. Llama 3.1 70B and Qwen3.8 27B Elo cells are dated snapshots from the named source — we do not compute Arena ourselves.

Related news

  • launch · Aug 14, 2026

    Qwen3.8 27B (Aug 14): dense enough to self-host, not a frontier MoE

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